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	<title>Comments on: THE PS3, EBAY, GETTING YOUR OWN BACK, THE PRODUCTION LINE AND MORE&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Danj</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Danj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&#8220;I managed to get a PS3, but there were no games that I really wanted to get. This is where the EU will certainly benefit. Once PS3 consoles hit your market, there will be several games to buy with it.&#8221;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Any benefit that may be gained from having more games available is vastly outweighed by the higher European price and the loss of the ability to import games that do not come out over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&ldquo;I managed to get a PS3, but there were no games that I really wanted to get. This is where the EU will certainly benefit. Once PS3 consoles hit your market, there will be several games to buy with it.&rdquo;</p></blockquote>
<p>Any benefit that may be gained from having more games available is vastly outweighed by the higher European price and the loss of the ability to import games that do not come out over here.</p>
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		<title>By: TheHeroOfCanton</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>TheHeroOfCanton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not true that most went to eBay or other auction sites (about 34,000 were availble the day after launch, which is likely to be about 1/7th the amount sold). 

I managed to get a PS3, but there were no games that I really wanted to get. This is where the EU will certainly benefit. Once PS3 consoles hit your market, there will be several games to buy with it. 

Us early adopters in North America/Japan will be left waiting until spring for the games that will truly be worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not true that most went to eBay or other auction sites (about 34,000 were availble the day after launch, which is likely to be about 1/7th the amount sold). </p>
<p>I managed to get a PS3, but there were no games that I really wanted to get. This is where the EU will certainly benefit. Once PS3 consoles hit your market, there will be several games to buy with it. </p>
<p>Us early adopters in North America/Japan will be left waiting until spring for the games that will truly be worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Ackerman</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Ackerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ErÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ what, precisely, is wrong about buying for resale? NobodyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s forcing people to buy PS3s, and nobodyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s forcing Sony to sell below the market-clearing price.

If you think putting PS3s on eBay is the Downfall of Western CivilisationÃ¢â€žÂ¢, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t participate. Seems fairly straightforward to me.

And second DanjÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s comments about ebay.co.uk not allowing PS3s Ã¢â‚¬â€ what theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re doing may be required by their lawyers, but their actions are completely orthogonal to any sense of morality. Pity nobody in government actually cares about getting rid of all the trade barriers that keep British prices jacked upÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ although, using the logic in this post, one could certainly argue that paying Ã‚Â£50 for a $50 game is a moral imperative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ErÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ what, precisely, is wrong about buying for resale? NobodyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s forcing people to buy PS3s, and nobodyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s forcing Sony to sell below the market-clearing price.</p>
<p>If you think putting PS3s on eBay is the Downfall of Western CivilisationÃ¢â€žÂ¢, donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t participate. Seems fairly straightforward to me.</p>
<p>And second DanjÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s comments about ebay.co.uk not allowing PS3s Ã¢â‚¬â€ what theyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re doing may be required by their lawyers, but their actions are completely orthogonal to any sense of morality. Pity nobody in government actually cares about getting rid of all the trade barriers that keep British prices jacked upÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ although, using the logic in this post, one could certainly argue that paying Ã‚Â£50 for a $50 game is a moral imperative.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Ackerman</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-699</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Ackerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er... what, precisely, is wrong about people buying for resale? Nobody's forcing people to buy PS3s, and nobody's forcing Sony to sell below the market-clearing price.

If you think putting PS3s on eBay is the Downfall of Western CivilizationÃ¢â€žÂ¢, don't participate. Seems fairly straightforward to me.

And second Danj's comments about ebay.co.uk not allowing PS3s Ã¢â‚¬â€ what they're doing may be required by their lawyers, but their actions are completely orthogonal to any sense of morality. Pity nobody in government actually gives a damn about getting rid of all the trade barriers that keep British prices jacked up... although, using the logic in this post, one could certainly argue that paying Ã‚Â£50 for a $50 game is a moral imperative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er&#8230; what, precisely, is wrong about people buying for resale? Nobody&#8217;s forcing people to buy PS3s, and nobody&#8217;s forcing Sony to sell below the market-clearing price.</p>
<p>If you think putting PS3s on eBay is the Downfall of Western CivilizationÃ¢â€žÂ¢, don&#8217;t participate. Seems fairly straightforward to me.</p>
<p>And second Danj&#8217;s comments about ebay.co.uk not allowing PS3s Ã¢â‚¬â€ what they&#8217;re doing may be required by their lawyers, but their actions are completely orthogonal to any sense of morality. Pity nobody in government actually gives a damn about getting rid of all the trade barriers that keep British prices jacked up&#8230; although, using the logic in this post, one could certainly argue that paying Ã‚Â£50 for a $50 game is a moral imperative.</p>
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		<title>By: Danj</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>Danj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 20:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;eBay.co.uk is scrupulously (and rightly) refusing to allow its devotees to sell PS3s before the European launch date (which, of course, still hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t been resolved beyond Ã¢â‚¬Å“MarchÃ¢â‚¬Â).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What you really mean is, "eBay.co.uk have been forced into refusing to allow its members to sell PS3s before the European launch date by a verdict in a court that was provided with no defense evidence". But of course being a Sony-affiliated blog I suppose you can't say that. The arguments presented when the result of the court case was announced are highly specious; although the PS3 does not (for some reason) carry a CE sticker label on the outside, when it is disassembled the CE certification is clearly visible engraved into the chassis of the power supply. As for issues of copyright and trademarks, it seems as if the judge had not heard of the concepts of doctrine of first sale or worldwide trademark exhaustion (look up "first sale" and "rights exhaustion on wikipedia for more information on those).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>eBay.co.uk is scrupulously (and rightly) refusing to allow its devotees to sell PS3s before the European launch date (which, of course, still hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t been resolved beyond Ã¢â‚¬Å“MarchÃ¢â‚¬Â).</p></blockquote>
<p>What you really mean is, &#8220;eBay.co.uk have been forced into refusing to allow its members to sell PS3s before the European launch date by a verdict in a court that was provided with no defense evidence&#8221;. But of course being a Sony-affiliated blog I suppose you can&#8217;t say that. The arguments presented when the result of the court case was announced are highly specious; although the PS3 does not (for some reason) carry a CE sticker label on the outside, when it is disassembled the CE certification is clearly visible engraved into the chassis of the power supply. As for issues of copyright and trademarks, it seems as if the judge had not heard of the concepts of doctrine of first sale or worldwide trademark exhaustion (look up &#8220;first sale&#8221; and &#8220;rights exhaustion on wikipedia for more information on those).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Furneaux</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Furneaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole eBay thing makes me sick, there need to be rules in place to stop it becoming so mainstream.
I suggest the ULTIMATE SONY FANBOY PREORDER PROFILING SCHEME.

Hear me out...

A quiz of 200 Sony Playstation related questions. Top scorers will be allowed a pre-order.

Hey presto, not perfect but it's a start right?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole eBay thing makes me sick, there need to be rules in place to stop it becoming so mainstream.<br />
I suggest the ULTIMATE SONY FANBOY PREORDER PROFILING SCHEME.</p>
<p>Hear me out&#8230;</p>
<p>A quiz of 200 Sony Playstation related questions. Top scorers will be allowed a pre-order.</p>
<p>Hey presto, not perfect but it&#8217;s a start right?!</p>
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		<title>By: Mart</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Mart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn't it be that those people buying PS3s don't have money to buy PS3 games, take their consoles home, and keep playing their PS2 collection (which is still growing)? I know that's what I plan to do with mine whenever I get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t it be that those people buying PS3s don&#8217;t have money to buy PS3 games, take their consoles home, and keep playing their PS2 collection (which is still growing)? I know that&#8217;s what I plan to do with mine whenever I get it.</p>
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		<title>By: psfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>psfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOGUS!!!

What reports? There has been lots of spiteful rumor but I haven't seen ANY official or believable reports on actual quantity shipments.

Even your 80,000 figure is wrong. Enterbrain reported that 88,400 PS3's were sold in Japan in the first two days. And unit sales quantities typically are a little lower than shipment quantities for some reason I don't quite understand.

"According to reports, Sony didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t manage to fulfil its launch objectives, in terms of the number of machines that went out to shops. The Japanese market got around 80,000, rather than the 100,000 promised; no figures have yet come through regarding the number that made it to North America, but you can bet that it was significantly less than the mooted 400,000."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOGUS!!!</p>
<p>What reports? There has been lots of spiteful rumor but I haven&#8217;t seen ANY official or believable reports on actual quantity shipments.</p>
<p>Even your 80,000 figure is wrong. Enterbrain reported that 88,400 PS3&#8217;s were sold in Japan in the first two days. And unit sales quantities typically are a little lower than shipment quantities for some reason I don&#8217;t quite understand.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to reports, Sony didnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t manage to fulfil its launch objectives, in terms of the number of machines that went out to shops. The Japanese market got around 80,000, rather than the 100,000 promised; no figures have yet come through regarding the number that made it to North America, but you can bet that it was significantly less than the mooted 400,000.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: OrganicShadow</title>
		<link>http://threespeech.com/blog/2006/11/the-ps3-ebay-getting-your-own-back-the-production-line-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>OrganicShadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've already been hearing from plenty of people that "second" shipment(s) of PS3's have been coming and going-- basically bought before they can even touch the glass case they are to be sitting behind.

At least 2 separate incidents of units "arriving" to Best Buys in particular have been communicated to me by friends, forum users, as well as Best Buy employees. Accuracy of the reports? Anyone's guess, but something tells me that PS3's ARE in fact trickling in.

Perhaps it is because all of the pre-orders are JUST NOW starting to get completely filled in some retail places, and that walk-in consumers still aren't able to get their hands on any, that we aren't noticing the arrival of more units?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve already been hearing from plenty of people that &#8220;second&#8221; shipment(s) of PS3&#8217;s have been coming and going&#8211; basically bought before they can even touch the glass case they are to be sitting behind.</p>
<p>At least 2 separate incidents of units &#8220;arriving&#8221; to Best Buys in particular have been communicated to me by friends, forum users, as well as Best Buy employees. Accuracy of the reports? Anyone&#8217;s guess, but something tells me that PS3&#8217;s ARE in fact trickling in.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is because all of the pre-orders are JUST NOW starting to get completely filled in some retail places, and that walk-in consumers still aren&#8217;t able to get their hands on any, that we aren&#8217;t noticing the arrival of more units?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What things are available on the Japanese PlayStation site that aren't on the U.S. one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What things are available on the Japanese PlayStation site that aren&#8217;t on the U.S. one?</p>
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